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Power Abuse/Unjustified ban
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#1
10-02-2025, 06:57 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2025, 08:23 PM by ICAMETOTORMENT.)
I come this way, to ask for help in a unjustified ban.

Background: I play LFS since 2005, in AA servers certainly for more than 15 years... I was never baned before. I have very high safety rating in the server stats.

So now let´s get to what is the real problem.
Last day 2nd of October, I went online to do some laps, entering the server I received the message saying I was banned for 365 days. 
I immediatly went to AA discord to see what happenned, to my surprise didn´t find any report against me, and looking at the ban list I was banned 365 days in the S3 account and 999 days in the demo account just by having the same IP. In the ban list it said I was banned day 30th of September, at 5am, I didn´t even play that day, and was certainly not at the server that moment.
Tried to ask around to AA team members, about what happenned, only one answered and said he didnt know about anything and would try to ask FireStarter... FireStarter answered him immediatly saying he would not unban reasoning - none - and the demo account was banned for ban evading (whatever that means because I was not even playing when I was banned)

So well after 24h FireStarter finally answered my messages, sending some server logs of my account day 21st of August, saying and I quote, "Using multiple accounts and manipulating into getting unbanned, feel free to protest the ban on the forum."

So now let´s go back to 21st of August. I was playing in the server with friends like I do for some long years, and there were a lot of mass bans happenning late hours in the server by a certain group of people that I´ll not refer. So one guy goes into the discord, makes a complaint, FireStarter went in the server to see what was going on, in a discord call my friends told me the admin was on the server, so I used me old demo account to go to the server and politly ask to remove my ban also, once he was unbanning people that were unfairly banned by that mass vote group.. When I asked him to take out the ban from my S3 account explaining the incident, he told me to wait, and went see the replay, and finally removed the ban. We even had a small chat about that mass ban in AA general discord channel, where FireStarter himself participated, including other players present in that day (naluyluka and kerberos for e.g) 

So, after more than 1 intire month, I kept playing in the server, never was reported, and I´m banned for that night, where FireStarter claims ban evading where he knew exactly what happenned that night?

I hope a re-evaluation on this matter, and thanks in advance.
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10-03-2025, 05:03 AM
Appeal acknowledged, wait out
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10-03-2025, 07:05 PM
So to lay down the facts. All of this is supported by replays and logs.

The entire thing stems from the incident on 31st of August (not 21st of August), when there was a big group of racers abusing the vote kick/ban system. At that time I was mainly focused on that issue and couldn't fully focus on other problems.

At that time the user "icametotorment" was rightfully banned by the big group for causing various incidents and unsportsmanlike behavior which can be seen in the attached replays. Several minutes later he rejoins with another account "jotta". I wasn't present at the moment where his original account got banned but I was there when he joined with his 2nd account, at that time I was checking the server logs for vote kick/ban instances and looking up which players could part of the big group that was involved in the incident. Now what icametotorment aka Johnny aka jotta aka Yuppi misses on mentioning is that during this time he was referring his icametotorment account as a separate player from him, which gave the impression that it might have been collateral damage from the mass kicks and bans that were happening. Some server logs below, cant upload it here as it contains player sensitive information, can send it to rane or nova at a request. 
Quote:Aug 31 04:08:43 Yuppi : ^LWho started the vote against Johnny D.?
Aug 31 04:11:56 Yuppi : ^Ljohnny is one of the older play in the active list
Aug 31 04:12:10 Yuppi : ^L98% of Safty rating
Aug 31 04:23:31 Yuppi : ^LYellow - They vote banned Johnny Diver without aparent reason
Aug 31 04:27:24 Yuppi : ^LAA™| FireStarter - And johnny, did you see the replays?
Aug 31 04:35:46 Yuppi : ^Labecde - You were vote baning everybody that the rest of ARG guys were banning
Aug 31 04:36:09 Yuppi : ^Labecde - You sent Johnny of track last corner before the start
Aug 31 04:36:26 Yuppi : ^Labecde - vote was started, everyone voted yes, and johnny was in the grass
Aug 31 04:36:30 Yuppi : ^Labecde - pit manouvered
Aug 31 04:36:59 Yuppi : ^Labecde - I saw everything
Aug 31 04:38:20 Yuppi : ^LAA™| FireStarter - Johnny as last request
Aug 31 04:38:24 AA™^v FireStarter : ^Lwhat's jonny's username?
Aug 31 04:38:29 Yuppi : ^LAA™| FireStarter - He was vote banned after getting killed
Aug 31 04:38:36 Yuppi : ^LAA™| FireStarter - ICAMETOTORMENT
Aug 31 04:45:32 AA™^v FireStarter : ^LYuppi - ¬ARSP1 the one that was involved in the crash with Johnny was already banned
Aug 31 04:46:37 Yuppi : ^LAA™| FireStarter - So, johnny unbanned?
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10-03-2025, 07:38 PM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2025, 07:58 PM by fstarter.)
Due to time constraints I was only able to review one replay of johnny, the race where he got banned.
At that time I didn't think he was fully innocent as he did pit maneuver another player but due to stuff that was going on it muddled my reasoning and thought it won't harm to unban him. And that's how I got manipulated into unbanning a player that should have stayed banned. IF he didn't come back to the server and pretend to be another player vouching for Johnny, 12h would pass the vote ban would expire and all of that would blow over without revealing much of Johnny's behavior.

The unraveling of the situation would be some several days after Johnny got unbanned. I received a tip from another player, claiming that icametotorment and jotta account belong to the same person. I did investigate that matter and yes indeed they had matching IP address. During the span over the several days I would go over the replays and server logs from that day and analyze the things that happened.
Here I would find out that Johnny had a very unsportsmanlike behavior. Excessive contacts, causing crashes, foul language and nationalist/racist remarks. I would also find out that his behavior was also noted outside of our server, to the point where notable LFS players noticed his behavior.
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Link to a video of racing incident on FM GTi Thursday
Link to a video of racing incident on FM GTi Thursday
Link to replays

Weighing down the options on 30th of September I have decided that this is a kind of behavior that I dont want to see on our servers and as a future deterrent it should be a big punishment.
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10-04-2025, 05:29 AM (This post was last modified: 10-04-2025, 05:35 AM by ICAMETOTORMENT.)
So you finally said the truth on why you banned me... You were ASKED by friends to ban me. 1st of all, you can´t ban a guy for something that happenned somewhere else, and you don´t even have the full story, the incident that happenned in FM Thursday, was that realwowstar pit manouvered me 2 laps before the finish of the race, resulting in me getting really upset in a 28 laps race (thatpart of the replay they won´t show you), and had altercation with him on track... nalu was the owner of the team, which I made part of (winners), I decided to leave the team, nalu also left, and then rejoined, everybody at that moment considered him at fault, not me, and now that im not in the team and joined another team he didnt like, im in wrong and he just shows you the part the interest them, which was, yea me crashing into him with my car completly destroyed... 2nd of all, you are saying that I was dirty at your server, which would be impossible with the amount of Safety I have in your server.... 3rd of all, This just proves where the community is going, if you have friends, you can just do whatever you want, because none of that national speech or something was made AGAIN, in your servers... I had ofc a big arguement with nalu, something that is completly private, and between him and me, and you´re using it against me, just because you were asked to. He threatened me he would ban me, and of course, you did what you were asked, without being honest about it in first place. You wanted me to come here complain, to expose whatever you think you have, but the truth is, none of that was in your servers, and im not a kid anymore. Legal actions will be taken, if the ban is not re-considered, because this kind of ban should not be alowed in 2025. Never caused any arm to AA members, neither to the server. I have a big safety rating like mentioned before, and airio doesn´t give it if you crash all the time. I play LFS way before some of the active players do, and I´m being crushed just because I had a discussion with XFG WR. This is a complete nonsense. But do as you wish FireStarter. You´re being injust, and over abusing power. That´s the truth either you like it or not. I´m free to clarify a lot more stuff if you wish so.
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10-04-2025, 05:03 PM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2025, 08:58 AM by fstarter.)
You are completely ignoring the fact that I did my own independent investigation, just because someone reported something that doesn't mean I would blindly punish players. Just because you were behaving badly on our servers that doesn't mean that I was asked by somebody.
Me and rane are currently maintaining airio on our servers and we both know what the system is capable of. Airio safety rating means nothing if you constantly have excessive contacts with other players and cause various incidents,the safety rating is a mere suggestion, the real judgement lies on the limad team.
It seems like you are ignoring the very evidence that you were caught red handed how you push people out of the racing line, pit maneuver them and so on. The last link contains a folder with replays of some of your races, but I'm going to post the link again, in plain text.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1...REdWRyt0oS
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10-05-2025, 10:52 AM (This post was last modified: 10-05-2025, 12:54 PM by ICAMETOTORMENT.)
I'm not ignoring anything, and one of the replays you claim so hard, is just a clip from in which real incident that happened 2 laps before doesnt appear and it's NOT EVEN at your servers... 

Prove me wrong and ask for that full MPR and go to lap 26, and see what happens... you won't... and you know why? Because you know that everybody makes mistakes, it's a sim game, and you will make everything possible to make me wrong so you can have your justified ban. 

As I said before, I already made a WHOIS to know your provider, there are legal rights you as using that provider have to follow, and also an email with the respective registered letter will be sent to game main devs. Explaining that a small elite is narrowing the freedom of online playing by baning outsiders of their groups, resulting in forcibly making the game almost as private friend group. 

You, FireStarter, know as well as me, that 1 year ban after +15 years of playing in AA without ever being banned is completly unjustified, I never asked to take out ban, I asked to be re-evaluated... and yes, you are blindly taking someones orders, and you are not looking for evidence, you are picking on literraly everything you can to justifie your acts, otherwise you wouldn't be linking clips of anothers servers.. you would use the complete MPR which you can't, cause you know realwowstar started everything out. 

The point here was never the acess to AA server, it was setting everything right, and make you consider the wrong move your making in partnership with naluluyka... in 2025 there is vpns, there is the possibility of buying accounts, I can join AA as much as I want. But this about doing the right thing, and you are not being just, and unbiased.

From here, I have nothing else to say, proceed as you wish, but remember, LFS is a community for everyone. Not for only who you think deserves to be in it.
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10-06-2025, 12:38 AM
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10-06-2025, 03:20 AM
(10-06-2025, 12:38 AM)fstarter Wrote:

Making it even more public just helped yourself but more importantly, helped me a lot more... Thanks a lot dude, hope you the best, nothing else to add.
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10-07-2025, 05:16 AM
(10-06-2025, 03:20 AM)ICAMETOTORMENT Wrote:
(10-06-2025, 12:38 AM)fstarter Wrote:

Making it even more public just helped yourself but more importantly, helped me a lot more... Thanks a lot dude, hope you the best, nothing else to add.


Is this also you Johnny? You didn't just dox yourself right?

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