12-06-2017, 12:47 AM
Hang on, Spe1l - you forgot to allow me my rebuttal.
1. The people who really need to use shift-S don't know that they need to use shift-S.
The only way they will learn is if someone tells them, so kicking or banning them serves no useful purpose. Spe1l is mistaken in his claim that I don't think shift-S is ever needed - I'll tell newbies to shift-S if they are a danger to lapping cars, or I will do it myself, and then - most importantly - explain what they are doing wrong. Backmarkers that repeatedly sit on the track waiting for other cars do get banned, as that crosses the line between genuine mistake and deliberate crashing.
2. If you actually are an experienced driver, you should be able to correct any mistakes you make instead of resorting to magically teleporting away. If you are a considerate driver, you can use shift-S if you want to, but don't try to force your opinions onto others claiming that it's a rule when it's not.
3. Not everyone can reach their keyboard in time to use shift-S, and by the time they do the damage is already done. This makes spectating moot. When I am in VR, I can't even see my keyboard, therefore I use my driving skill to mitigate damage - as Seven said. I also pay attention to what other drivers are doing and am usually able to avoid the majority of accidents this way. I see too many people charging full-speed into yellow flag situations, crashing, and then getting upset when actually, it's completely their own fault.
4. LFS is a simulator. As in real-life - even at the very top echelons of motorsport - shit happens. IRL you might spend weeks getting your car ready, only to be taken out in the first race on the first corner, and that's it for your race weekend. Another race isn't going to start 5 minutes later with magically repaired cars.
5. Abusing someone for not getting out of your way or not having the skill to live up to your expectations is more likely to end with you being the one to get kicked. Kode's assumption that shift-S is a hard-and-fast rule was completely wrong, as were all of his other assumptions. Anyone who wants to talk about what they 'know' in the future should probably do some reading first (see point 2).
6. You are driving on the lowest level server in all of LFS - if other peoples' skill levels are not up to your expectations, we have another server that has a lower PB lock suitable for more experienced drivers. But no, you insist on coming to that one server. That's like standing in the rain and complaining about getting wet rather than moving under cover.
7. Marshal is a server-sitter, not a full-time participant. A lot of stuff will happen while I'm not watching, and even when I am, it may happen on another part of the track... I'm not ever going to be everywhere at the same time. I happen to be around a little more often at the moment as I am between jobs, but don't get too used to it.
and lastly...
8. I've been on other servers and have been kicked for AVOIDING crashes instead of using shift-S. If this is what enforcing a shift-S rule comes to, then I will not have it, and I will actively fight against anyone who tries to force it on me.
1. The people who really need to use shift-S don't know that they need to use shift-S.
The only way they will learn is if someone tells them, so kicking or banning them serves no useful purpose. Spe1l is mistaken in his claim that I don't think shift-S is ever needed - I'll tell newbies to shift-S if they are a danger to lapping cars, or I will do it myself, and then - most importantly - explain what they are doing wrong. Backmarkers that repeatedly sit on the track waiting for other cars do get banned, as that crosses the line between genuine mistake and deliberate crashing.
2. If you actually are an experienced driver, you should be able to correct any mistakes you make instead of resorting to magically teleporting away. If you are a considerate driver, you can use shift-S if you want to, but don't try to force your opinions onto others claiming that it's a rule when it's not.
3. Not everyone can reach their keyboard in time to use shift-S, and by the time they do the damage is already done. This makes spectating moot. When I am in VR, I can't even see my keyboard, therefore I use my driving skill to mitigate damage - as Seven said. I also pay attention to what other drivers are doing and am usually able to avoid the majority of accidents this way. I see too many people charging full-speed into yellow flag situations, crashing, and then getting upset when actually, it's completely their own fault.
4. LFS is a simulator. As in real-life - even at the very top echelons of motorsport - shit happens. IRL you might spend weeks getting your car ready, only to be taken out in the first race on the first corner, and that's it for your race weekend. Another race isn't going to start 5 minutes later with magically repaired cars.
5. Abusing someone for not getting out of your way or not having the skill to live up to your expectations is more likely to end with you being the one to get kicked. Kode's assumption that shift-S is a hard-and-fast rule was completely wrong, as were all of his other assumptions. Anyone who wants to talk about what they 'know' in the future should probably do some reading first (see point 2).
6. You are driving on the lowest level server in all of LFS - if other peoples' skill levels are not up to your expectations, we have another server that has a lower PB lock suitable for more experienced drivers. But no, you insist on coming to that one server. That's like standing in the rain and complaining about getting wet rather than moving under cover.
7. Marshal is a server-sitter, not a full-time participant. A lot of stuff will happen while I'm not watching, and even when I am, it may happen on another part of the track... I'm not ever going to be everywhere at the same time. I happen to be around a little more often at the moment as I am between jobs, but don't get too used to it.
and lastly...
8. I've been on other servers and have been kicked for AVOIDING crashes instead of using shift-S. If this is what enforcing a shift-S rule comes to, then I will not have it, and I will actively fight against anyone who tries to force it on me.
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